Dreadful journalism. 0000016292 00000 n A Branded tanker will draw fuel from the same fuel depot storage tank as will Joe Bloggs for Asda, its the same fuel, same storage tank, different tankers. Yes, Honest John in the Telegraph has been adamant about the difference for years and always recommends premium fuel: why is he so wrong? Car-Part.com Car-Part.com Yes fruit and veg grown in the UK in 2018 is smaller because of the lack of rain, they all need rain to grow. So therefore all fuel at all the different petrol stations is the same. I have delivered on lots of different contracts in the industry. Youve been conned by a myth. When I changed to branded petrol for my old Avensis which had done 100k miles it definitely felt different, it was certainly quieter and I definitely got an increase in mpg. Buy fruit and veg from the German supermarkets, then moan about the quality of fuel at British supermarkets. Agree, used to work in IT for Shell. 0000173162 00000 n Since changing to a diesel car the benefits arent as obvious but it seems to be quieter when using branded fuel. To a Kia Carens4. Get the latest breaking news across the U.S. on ABCNews.com Global Sources puts an end to the complex traditional commerce by bringing together auto fuel pump suppliers and buyers. Left foot braking is a common basic skill used in motorsports for years! . Lee. I use both. It will be stated on the pump. General Electrical/Electronic System Diagnosis: 1. When was this / is this a current issue at this site? Technician B is correct because undersize wiring will cause undercharging due to higher resistance. 0000004273 00000 n Read about it on a Ford forum and didnt believe, but for me its true, the Ford Eco diesels do not like supermarket fuel. Im now getting several miles per gallon more than I was before! So, after reading the hopeless original article and all the interesting but differing points of view that follow, is this the definitive answer? It checks battery conductance. THE only problem when I occasionally refuelled with Tesco petrol the vehicle would misfire. I have never had a problem with supermarket petrol or diesel, I only buy standard fuel grade and add my Millers addative which I purchase in 5 litre can to keep costs down. A tanker will often carry different grades such as Diesel, Unleaded, Super unleaded and Super Diesel but it will not carry 2 or 3 different types of Unleaded or Diesel for instance the only variant is the Super or Standard. I have consistently kept an eye on fuel consumption and never noticed an unexplained increase in the life of a car, On the subject of Super unleaded, Tesco Momentum 99 is a branded product in the same way Shell V-Power or BP Ultimate is again this often comes from the same terminals, tanks and arms. Ethanol should simply be removed full stop. Additives may vary between suppliers but they are mostly marketing hype and make no noticeable difference to performance, unless sold as premium brands. . It examines various perceived benefits and finds no evidence for them. WebThe cost per unit volume of gas actually delivered to the buyer. What else would they have been doing with the other hand? I run my Range Rover on the least exspensive fuel regardless of brand. Do you think supermarket fuel is inferior to branded? Key Findings. In fairness, it has been known about for years but was the preserve of fleets of HGVs. If it needs 95 or 98 that is different to whether or not its got a splash of detergent in it. Practice Testwas written by Dr. John Kershaw, an ASE test prep expert: ASE test questiondeveloper; ASE Certified Master Technician; ASE Master Truck Technician; and Auto Industry Technical Instructor. I also add lead replacement for unconverted engines although I believe this has nothing to do with performance. The reason for it was the quality I wondered whether the car ran slightly more smoothly and had slightly more acceleration, but Im sure some of this was psychology and an attempt to justify to myself that I had got *some* benefit from the gold-plated diesel. The rating is offered as a guide to the anti-knock properties of the fuel and has no influence on engine performance unless you have a high compression engine. The petrol which is identical to any other fuel is then pumped into tanker plus any extra ingredients required by ie Sainsburys or Asda .. these additives are mainly to keep your engine free of carbon and run smoothly. all exert a drain on engine and hence fuel. That changed when diesel became largely sulphur free as it was the sulphur which was a natural biocide. They will also have a return fitting and a vent or rollover valve fitting. By bypassing the states general fund and the voter-approved Prop 98 Hi can you tell me the difference between standard and the more expensive fuel. The price at the pump is the only difference. Change your shoes. I have been told to use the better diesel as it is better for the car. The electrical systems service area involves the components and systems listed below. My BMW M5 really struggles on 95 ron fuel period no matter where its from. The largest concern is now bio-content. My 2012 Focus 1.6 diesel has let me down and gone into limp mode several times using supermarket diesel, it just will not run on the stuff. A JEGS expert is ready to answer your questions and help you find the JEGS fuel cell or aluminum gas tanks that you require for your specific application. A problem twice! The mechanic asked me where I bought my diesel, Sainsburys! I sed ( all the time) mmmm, No difference whatsoever in branded or unbranded I drive both petrol an diesel I have not even noticed any extra miles from premium branded fuejs at pumps either, so dont waste your money an full up wherever you feel like it as its all the same. I use it for the cleaning effect rather than expecting miracles. Where diesel is concerned, the supermarkets are all working on the basis of buy cheap and sell quickly using the fuel price to hook in customers to their stores; they dont put additives into their fuel because they think that it will be sold so quickly that any biological contaminants will be long gone. Resistance in circuit opposes electron flow with resulting voltage loss applied to load. 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This can be done with a mild detergent and water by swishing the solution around inside the tank. Supermarket fuel just met the target AA Seal of Approval of less than 800mg carbon per 100k miles while branded fuel from the oil companies reduced the carbon build-up to less than 50mg carbon per 100k miles. Some years ago I was working near to the Ellesmere Port refinery and was in clear sight of the fuelling station for tankers, during a break I watched as a line of tankers of various fuel brands were filled from the same rig, these included major fuel companies as well as supermarket brands. Diesel is also affected by bio-content. I am a tesco fuel tanker driver and we deliver DieselRE (Diesel with retail additive) EXACTLY the same as BP, Shell etc. Petrol is refined the same everywhere, Cheaper prices are brought about by negotiation and quantity! At first I thought this was a one off so I tried several times alternating between Tesco and Sainsburys but my car did consistently less when filled at Tesco. I would imaging the age/performance type of your vehicle could also have a part to play in how comparisons are derived. 0000004745 00000 n Dont get excited about words like Excellium and Supreme, they are marketing lingo. It may also contain cetane boosters and agents to make the fuel atomise better in the engine, which is about the best way to boost diesel engine performance. There are many different factors to consider when shopping for a fuel cell or fuel tank including different brands, prices, warranties, performance capabilities, and much more. Not so. Those who choose to pay as much as 20p per litre extra just because it is Shell, B.P. Ive used supermarket fuels for over 40yrs and never had a single problem, ever. Morrisons all the time for 5 years. Petrol will damage seals in a diesel engine, and will damage the injectors, and pumps, the filters also get clogged by petrol, but adding significantly higher level of diesel will certainly dilute the petrol a lot, and will have less damaging effect on the seals etc But we are still paying extortionate prices at the pumps. If you have to buy a first aid kit it contains the minimum parts under law. Right, so all brands use the same base fuel from the refinery. It has a very distinctive foul smell. Your problem is that youre driving a vauxhall. Full tank = greater load and you Engine management would detect the load and may elect to inhibit the start -stop to prevent the engine cooling down and reducing the cats efficiency. On the feebleness of this article I am unsubscribing. New developments in a shooting in Minnesota. they also have to change the fuel hoses to ones resistant to ethanol. All tanks are vented. 0000002375 00000 n Details from Correspondent Bernie Bennett. Phase separation is a documented phenomenon. Honest John makes no differential between petrol premium brands (Esso et al) and supermarkets fuels. 0000003512 00000 n So, I continue to fill up at the local Asda station and save a bunch of money! Left foot braking is the most dangerous thing I ever heard of The bulk fuel is the same, the additives are different and do make a difference even at the high dilutions in use. My VW Passat 1.6 fsi specifies super unleaded of which i again use the cheapest but once a month i do a full tankfull of Shell Optimax at a Princely sum of course and i will say there is a marked diffirence in power. The dimensions need to be exact to fit in the space required. WebDiscover all the collections by Givenchy for women, men & kids and browse the maison's history and heritage JEGS offers a wide selection of fuel tanks and fuel cells to fit your ride's needs. So beware, I replaced the filler cap and removed and plugged the fuel gauge. 0000015051 00000 n Why the hate? WebOur Commitment to Anti-Discrimination. I regularly find that I lose 10-15 not when using TESCO fuel this has been evident in 2cars 1 elderly and the other 12months old. Please choose another answer. i have a car with stop start and this only works when down to half a tank with fuel from the supermarket. Rosin core is the specified type of solder to use on any electrical repair to insure integrity. 0000014590 00000 n (and yes I know, these days it would be virtually impossible to interfere with the fuel metering system in the pumps). BTW, super unleaded; BS7800 does not fall under this crazy directive as yet and as such contains far less bio-ethanol. Never a prob with cars. Like a lot of their comprehensive articles. After some thought, I ran my car virtually dry, took it in and filled it up and the pump said I had just put 12 gallons into an 11 gallon tank!!!! Tesco petrol is esso fuel anyway. Its all psychological!! So, if you use just one safety pin it then becomes illegal. I also believe Tesco buying power enables them to buy in bulk at reduced prices enabling them (one hopes) to pass this concession on to the customer at the pumps. Subscribe to our weekly newsletter below and never miss the latest product or an exclusive offer. Supermarkets have a really high turnover of fuel and allow the tanks to run really low thus dragging all the c**p from the bottom. Due to the nature of modern fuel-injection systems, its entirely possible that a vehicle could alter the fuelling strategy per tank of fuel, but under normal circumstances (assuming the fuel quality was typical), this would only be noticeable under extreme loads, not through typical driving. 0000015737 00000 n As a matter of interest I drive a Saab which is designed for regular unleaded, it has a 2ltr petrol turbo-charged engine and as I can usually maintain comfortable constant speeds on the motorways using the cruise control I am able on long runs to obtain mid to high 40s MPG using supermarket fuel and I have never found any difference in performance or MPG if I have had to use any other brand. A friend has a Golf GTI with about 80K miles on the clock, his car went into the garage for repair after the cambelt failed which resulted in a head off job.The garage called him to come and see the head and pistons before starting the repair. If you fill up at an Esso station, you get Tesco Clubcard points. veg that is lol. I fill up at Asda and found it runs just the same on their fuel as branded fuel, and considerably cheaper. True enough, but it is us poor end users who end up with diesel bug contaminated vehicles! I always use just 1 Tesco fuel supplier as since I found out the reason their fuel is always cheaper than anyone else locally is because they actully own the freehold of the site and dont pay any rent for same which as I understand reflects in the pump price they charge. E10 petrol and biodiesel means you use more, so more tax and duty for gov.uk. All load retail grade base fuel. But the key to the quality issue is one of detergents & additives that prevent/slow the formation of carbon deposits around any engine be it modern or vintage. I use both supermarket and BP and Shell petrol and diesel basic grade fuels and have never noticed any difference. My old M3 was even worse. good to know, even though I always fill up at Tesco too because 1st its usually the cheapest, and 2nd the closest to where I live and 3rd I get the Tesco points. Therefore I am guessing that the difference is just down to poor housekeeping standards. I dont care if its psychological, I need all the help I can get to beat the competition out there. freq may vary. Faulty o-rings both the filler cap and fuel gauge leaked. The engine was fine never gave a moments problems in all that time, but I serviced it properly of course. Try using Tesco Momentum 99 and youll find your car is exactly the same as it is when filling up with Shell V-Power. 0000015532 00000 n WebFight for a progressive future by growing and wielding the grassroots political power of young people; Build power on the ground and online for the youth vote This action normally produces high current and voltage. Obviously this is not good for fuel systems and requires greater quantities to be transported etc but nonetheless it was done to reduce some sort of emissions and is under the Renewable Transport Fuel Obligation (which I largely a load of BS). Interestingly, my day car which is a phev will automatically run the petrol engine if Ive used only electric power for a month or 2. 0000013924 00000 n Working in IT invoicing for Shell MSD does not necessarily mean that you understand the fuel supply chain and marketing. I would therefore say that if youre going to use supermarket diesel, use Millers diesel additive all the time, and keep a bottle of diesel fuel tank cleaner (concentrated detergent and biocide) for those times when you get diesel bug in your car fuel tank. To be honest I cant say Ive noticed any difference. 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This is normally for high power performance engines. Pay the money take the chance. Within about a fortnight it was withdrawn due to damaging vast amounts of vehicles. Probabbly has shares in the local fast fit station! Though any storage tank for fuel may be so called, the term is typically applied to part of an engine system in which the fuel is stored and propelled or released (pressurized gas) into an engine.Fuel tanks range in size and complexity from the small plastic tank of a butane There is absolutely no difference, it comes from the same terminal, the same tank and through the same arm as everyone else. Our car club recommends that we use Shell Vpower or BP & other equivalents as there is less bio which can affect seals of older manufacture. Problems arise when a tank is very empty, when it is refilled, because the incoming fuel stirs up the tank and mixes the water with the fuel. It would be nice if one of the motoring websites or TV programmes paid for exhaustive tests of different brands of fuel, but that would cost money. Investigative journalism. Stay informed Subscribe to our email newsletter. If you are experiencing issues please try signing up at https://app.petrolprices.com/signup and use our desktop version in the interim. The engines moving parts are lubricated by oil, but the cylender, pistons, and valves are lubricated by what is added to fuel, lead used to be in petrol as it is an effective way of lubricating the one pelarts, by removing lead they had to add something else , silicates have been added, along with many other additives, none of which are as effective as lead. I didnt know about phase separation but always try to keep my petrol moving in my classic car rather than standing for several months. However, the same has been true of a couple of mainstream garages in the area who other locals know about. 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